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There are some important questions that the speakers have not yet addressed. "What is discrimination?" and "What is non-discrimination?"
Another way to put these questions is this: "What counts as a color-blind policy or practice and what does not?" Fred advocates color-blind policies, but no one has offered a definition.
John will ask for a definition later. What do you think the answer should be? Should the definition turn on someone's intent to discriminate, on consequences, or on something else?